Pedro the Lion

undertowmusic · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Champaign, IL

i know some of you are not going to like this and i'm sorry about that.

We are not going to allow video taping at any Bazan show... this includes house shows, venue shows, etc.

We are in the process of having all unauthorized Bazan videos removed from youtube and vimeo.

if you have videos up on your account it would be nice if you removed them in the next few days before the mass "take down" starts to happen to avoid any hassles with youtube and to save us some work. We are not exactly sure how youtube handles the take down requests... but we've heard they will shut down your account if you have more than a couple of videos that are tagged.

We'll continue to add live videos to the Bazan youtube channel. We have a lot of good quality video in the archives we'll be posting over the next few months and more plans to shoot video at the shows in the future.

Basically, we are trying to raise the quality of the audio and video that's available. And we need to be able to control where Bazan's music is posted and what other content it's associated with.

Shaky low quality video with distorted audio is not a good way to experience David's music.

Thanks for your help!

Bob
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corey20 · Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 839

My first reaction would be to bitch about this, but it makes sense to me. There are a lot of shitty videos out here and if somebody out there is on youtube and says to himself, "Hmm, i've heard of this Bazan fellow, lets see what he sounds like." and the video he finds is some terrible quality shaky hand thing he probably won't give him a second chance.

I don't know how these things work. Are you allowed to take down someone's video if they had permission to film prior to you making this new rule, or how does that work. Or lets say a video with multiple people like the Ben Gibbard, Bazan, Jenny Lewis one. Can you just take down whatever you like?

FatalWound · Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 3343 Location: DC

I think the logic of this is sound but the backlash could get kind of ugly.

And Corey, speaking from my experience, (at least with Blogger, which Google also owns), Google tends to react by removing anything it receives a notice about, and then the burden tends to be on the poster to prove they had permission, in order for it to be reinstated..
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undertowmusic · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Champaign, IL

undertowmusic · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Champaign, IL

sayten · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject:

i understand not wanting crappy vids online.
i understand reserving the right to have crappy vids removed.
i don't understand not letting folks take crappy vids for themselves.

if folks aren't allowed to take vids then sure, there won't be any new crappy videos. there won't be any new good videos either.

that's my $.02. you can keep the change.
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undertowmusic · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Champaign, IL

undertowmusic · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Champaign, IL

bands spend a lot of time and energy learning how to create a unique and sometimes epic experience for fans. enjoy it with your ears and eyes. memories are created in your mind... not on a shitty cell phone video.

the experience is ruined when you are fucking around with a camera, talking on your phone and texting.
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ROY · Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 646

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corey20 · Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 839

Bob, I hope that you will not be removing old Pedro videos (that aren't crappy quality). I understand that those are not the videos you want new fans to see when searching for Dave (though they probably will search for "David Bazan" and not Pedro the Lion), but a lot of the older videos are pretty dear to me and I probably go back and watch some of them every couple of months. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I guess what I'm saying is that when you say you're removing videos of poor quality it's referring to video quality and not the quality of Dave's past work. Not that I call any of Dave's past work poor quality.

Of course you don't need my approval, or even my opinion, but I'd be really sad to see all of the old Dave videos disappear Sad

undertowmusic · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Champaign, IL

ROY · Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 646

Just playing devil's advocate here, but...

Do you really think anyone would choose not to go check out Dave's show because of a crappy cell phone video on the web?

What if there had been a way to ban us from passing around cassette recordings we made off the radio when we were in high school? I know the record industry sure wanted to.

They also wanted to ban records from being broadcast on radio stations in the first place.

Point being, the times they are a changin'... I know seeing something you slave over represented in a lesser manner sucks, but I don't think it's any less valid a way to discover artists in this day and age. Why remove representations of Dave's music from a world where other artists are represented?

The real reason to take down copyright infringing YouTube vids is when it's keeping an artist from making money because the vid is a viable substitute for something people would otherwise pay for. I don't think that's the case here.

I agree with the point that I believe spurred this, when jac said seeing Dave live is a whole other world than watching YouTube vids. But seeing him live is a whole other world than hearing the records he puts out as well.

Anyway, that's MY three cents. I'll probably throw in the rest of the nickel after I've slept on it. Good night, folks!

ROY · Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 646

P.S. Bob, you're not old.

i saved latin · Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 2743

if people aren't allowed or discouraged to post bazan videos online won't that decrease footage at live shows and thus decrease hype and exposure to bazan?...i get your reasoning, but i'm hesitant to believe it would ultimately help market dave...

if i'm into an artist enough to start looking up obscure live footage from them, then i'm pretty sure youtube wouldn't be my first exposure to the music and i would already at that point be pretty familiar with the artist's catalogue...

imo
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